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Post by KT on Feb 23, 2015 16:35:45 GMT -5
Black and Green Review is a new journal from Black and Green Press. BAGR is an anarcho-primitivist journal dedicated to furthering green anarchist/anti-civilization discussion, debate and critiques. Involvement is greatly encouraged. To read more, go to the website: Black and Green Review.  Issue one will be shipping out in about 3 weeks! Pre-orders are available through Oldowan Distribution: BAGR 1 pre-ordersSubscriptions are available here: BAGR subscriptionsTell your favorite anarchist/radical info/bookshop or tabling crew to carry it. |
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Post by art on Feb 25, 2015 23:40:05 GMT -5
I am not reading anything in advance of getting a paper copy since I don't want to spoil it and get my money's worth. Plus, if I can avoid reading stuff on a screen, I usually do.
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Post by KT on Feb 26, 2015 0:54:55 GMT -5
Good side note here, I've had people offer suggestions for how Suffocating Void could be better formatted for blogs in response to me posting it as a preview of BAGR 1. Point done got missed.
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Post by KT on Mar 4, 2015 15:58:22 GMT -5
Shipped from the printer today!
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Post by curcumin on Mar 4, 2015 23:46:02 GMT -5
Looking forward to it!
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Post by KT on Mar 9, 2015 16:34:02 GMT -5
Starts shipping out in a few days!
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Post by KT on Mar 14, 2015 22:34:53 GMT -5
First round mailing is done, save a couple of people. Tell your friends, let us know what you think. Oldowan has done their shipments too. Little Black Cart will be stocking it shortly.
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Post by KT on Mar 21, 2015 22:48:11 GMT -5
A bunch of copies are definitely out there now. So if you've gotten yours, I'd love to hear your thoughts!
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Post by codalunga on Mar 23, 2015 15:01:59 GMT -5
Just received two copies from Oldowan here in Italy. I'll dig into it, I haven't read anything you posted on-line for the same reasons explained by art. But from a mere aesthetic point of view it looks great and the book format seems the best choice. Also, kudos to Yank for the pictures!
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Post by rb on Jun 25, 2015 19:16:44 GMT -5
Just finished reading BAGR #1 cover to cover. Lots of good stuff in there. Highlights were too many to list, but the interview with the anonymous anthropologist was fantastic. However I was interested to see an uncritical review of Jon Young's book "What the Robin Knows." The book has some great stuff to be sure, but Young learned everything he knows from Tom Brown Jr., who's reputation is mixed at best. Both Brown and Young's schools are full of blatant native appropriation, and often outright false facts about indigenous cultures. It's not that there is nothing to learn from Young, who is incredibly knowledgeable and has a reputation for being unbearably nice, but I was interested to see KT do such a glowing review of something coming from an author who so many people find problematic. Thoughts?
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Post by KT on Jul 28, 2015 16:16:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments about BAGR1.
I am aware of Jon Young on numerous levels, but my experience with him is through WTRK, his tracking book, his 8 CD Advanced Bird Language, and a few other things here or there. I see absolutely no problem with anything he has had to say in any of those mediums. I'm not sure why I would raise red flags about supposed issues when they didn't arise in the book in question and I think the book, the CD set and the other book have an insane amount to offer anyone. If "blatant native appropriation" appeared in the book, I would address it, but it does not.
I don't support Tom Brown Jr. Everything about him personally aside, he tracks for the FBI and police for free, which I clearly stand against. I don't think there's a lot of controversy in saying that "Grandfather" almost certainly did not exist and is a white dude's amalgam of what they think an elder might say, but that doesn't change anything about what Tom Brown actually does know: tracking and awareness skills. You're tossing out guilt by association here. Jon Young is not Tom Brown, nor does it even appear that he has a huge grip on what is going on at his school with many instructors that includes natives and non-natives. Do they have issues of native appropriation there? I wouldn't be shocked, but I didn't say that Jon Young is perfect, he just wrote a book and did a series that are pretty damn close.
So if you'd like to raise issues specifically about the book in question, then it'd be another story. In terms of "outright false facts about indigenous cultures" I've seen absolutely nothing in Young's works that I'm referencing here. They're spot on, but then again he is far, far, far more careful in his stories and characterizations than Brown is. For the most part, his most common reference is to talk about reading bird language or understanding general levels of awareness and then to say, "this is something natives knew intrinsically" which is demonstrably true.
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Post by rb on Aug 5, 2015 15:31:00 GMT -5
Thank you for responding. I think what you said is a fair response. I don’t think Jon Young should be deemed guilty by association just because he knows Tom Brown. However, Jon Young was straight up mentored by Tom Brown as a kid. Jon Young talks about “Grandfather” quite a bit, and pushes the philosophy and spirituality that “Grandfather” supposedly came up with. To me that is problematic. I have listened to all 5 audio releases he has, read his books, and learned the majority of my skills from one of his students. I would say I am a fan of his work. I merely found it surprising that that there was no mention of some of the more questionable aspects of what he teaches. But I think perhaps you're right; a short review of WTRK is not the place to get into it.
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